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Websites lose hosting
Recently hosting for the neo-nazi website Daily Stormer was cancelled by the provider after they threatened to attack people at a funeral in Virginia. People celebrated this. However another issue arose quickly... the slippery slope effect had begun. Once the first website was purged it set groundwork for removing others.

Recently Canadian news website, the Rebel, got booted from it's hosting. Why? The provider didn't say. They suspect it's because The Rebel has published articles criticizing Islam/Muslims. (A topic that gets people heated quickly.) But of course no one at the hosting provider will respond to clarify.

The owner, Ezra Levant, likened this to a phone company cutting off your cellphone because they didn't like the calls you were making.

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The sad part is that this is just the beginning. More sites will be kicked from their hosts because of disagreement. It seems like people have forgotten it's possible to disagree with one another but yet not deny them the option to speak. Like people have forgotten that it's always an option to just not listen (rather than try silencing anything you don't want to hear).
08-22-2017 07:56 PM
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As you say it is the beginning; Of a new era of hatred and eventually conflict. And this how elements like this win. Cutting off debate or anything between parties because the hatred is way too strong or people just can't handle an argument anymore because no one cares to follow any code of conduct because they are beyond reasoning at this point from either side on the matters that really matter. That's one way to look at it, granted I only foresee this getting worse by the day, every hour to the half hour and eventually from the minute to within seconds.

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08-22-2017 10:32 PM
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Here's the thing... I don't like neo-nazis. That said, I also don't think it's right to decide to take away someone's entire site just because. If anything I think that it makes things worse.
Firstly they're going to find another host or another way to get their message out. And by trying to shut them up, in some regards they take that as proving them right. It's going to make them louder and harder to deal with later on.

But failing that then those who's voices are cut off eventually become violent. They think they have no other way to be heard. We've seen it with things like Black Lives Matter and their riots. We're going to keep seeing it if we don't learn that silencing others is not the correct way.

I also will admit that seeing hosts do this makes me worry about our site here. I mean we're not particularly political. But perhaps some opinions don't exactly line up to whatever the current message is. (Maybe it's not my opinion either, what if it's anyone on the site?) Does this mean we're at risk? Could I wake up tomorrow with an email in my inbox basically saying "Hey, move or you lose the site." Or will we wake up and things simply be gone? Or could we end up "guilty by association"? (Like if I've posted an article from a site they don't like are we suddenly "bad" even if the discussion is neutral?)

This kind of censorship has very chilling ramifications. It's why I agree with the EFF on this one. (At least insofar as it's going to be used against others, with no oversight and simply because they felt like it. And that's a very dangerous thing.)
08-22-2017 10:51 PM
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And that's fine, I do not like Neo Nazi's either and its because of them its causing even more problems here maybe not in the northwest of the U.S where I am from ,but I know it will eventually come this way because yes it is very evident they will get loud and make things much more worse. Take away their ability and yes they will act out in ways that are violent ,but to be honest with you they made their message clear already and they brought it on themselves in the real world sense, but here on a site that's like an island in the big sea that is the net it is unfortunate that things may go that route and that alone is scary and there is no sugar coating that.

I may not be a web admin like you ,but here's the thing you either stick with your guns and stand firm with what you have or let em win. I will not have this from our admin who worked so hard to even keep this forum going to allow that doubt enter your mind. If someone has a problem like that then were too cowardly to talk to you directly. And for what because they were bothered with how you put things together for the sake of just discussing the ramifications of something that's quite critical? Of course this is the internet and people act out more here because they are behind a screen that's not at all easy to really track and that's the one thing that can make or brake a site yes? Granted if only it were that simple though.

And yes we have never been that big on politics discussion here, at best we have what discussed our frustrations about SJW culture and its ramifications? Hell we have the pit of social justice and so far no one has taken any issue or stance of hey we are taking down your site because of those discussions/news, but since this is a bigger topic than we all normally handle. That's hard to say and that depends on whom our site host is like correct?

You built the rules and we have always followed them and for better for worse there will always be elements that will cause issues even if we have these agreements and protections in place. If there is one thing I get tired of is yes when things like this happen and it only gets worse ,but sometimes what can one do? Everyone is all human and sometimes be it our strong feelings or petty ones decisions likes this will be rash and not very thought out obviously and what I am seeing here is the result of recent events. People or one individuals anger to justify and try to enact a judgement that results in punishments that are not fair and damning if they refuse to even discuss it.

As for the Neo Nazism and how we feel about it, that's gonna be another discussion for another day and probably not here for one if you feel that way honestly. I am sure Jet and Vile have their own two cents on the matter at hand as well.

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08-23-2017 07:32 AM
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My stance is free to speak about anything, free to assemble, but don't be upset if what you have to say has negetive consequences. I hate that nazi party as much as anyone else vut because i have these views I'm labeled a nazi sympizier.

As for the site, Daily Stromer, it was advocating a maliciously violent action, which is against Go Daddy's hosting policys. When they made the site they agreed to Go Daddy and thus broke the agreement which ended the service. I don't think its wrong for a hoster to enforce their policys.

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08-23-2017 01:12 PM
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Though in this case wasn't the threat actually made on their Discord, not their actual website?
If it was only made on their Discord then fair enough Discord has the right to kick them off. But going beyond that and taking off their website over something said on Discord is overkill.
Now if the threat was actually reposted onto their website (from Discord) and they agreed with it... Sure, take action. But again if it was anything else then action likely wasn't justified.

Part of the problem here is also, and I've said this before (plus heard it a lot especially recently), the news doesn't report everything. They only report what will sell. Sensationalism not truth. In this case I don't even know what's true anymore. I've heard so many conflicting stories about what happened. And I know I can't trust mainstream media to get it right.



Admittedly part of there being no issues with the SocJus pit is that it's members only/not guest visible so most people don't even get to see it. And those that do have access to it have shown that it's entirely possible to disagree and yet that not cause problems. (Which seems to be scarce these days.)

The host would be able to see it if they opened the server up, went in through root access and looked at the files that way. (And being their system, it'd be their right to in order to enforce their Terms of Service or Acceptable Use Policy. Which I agreed to when I signed up.) But they likely wouldn't bother. They'd probably ignore it (unless they got a lot of complaints). Now if they were heavy social justice sympathizers then I'd likely be getting an email basically telling me to go elsewhere or that we're getting kicked as of a date. They could call it whatever they want, probably hate speech since that seems to be a popular method to get rid of people, but end of day the result is the same.

In the past I've never worried about the site being taken offline because of difference of opinion because free speech (whereby companies didn't care so much so long as bills were paid) was kinda a thing. But with this new issue where hosts are getting hyper sensitive about it... Even taking down a news site as a result... That gets scary quickly.
Especially since, as you've seen, it's targeted based on politics. Particularly those thought to be right wing. They don't even have to be right wing. Just thought to be. That's a pretty important distinction.

I've not talked politics a lot, but when I have I've mentioned I'm somewhere in the centre. (There are things on both sides I agree with.) But even still because of that, because I'm not hard left... therefore I must be right wing. (Basically a zero-sum thought process. Or to use another example... Either you're with me or you're my enemy.) So by further extrapolation we must be a right wing website then. But we're not. We're not affiliated with either side. We're neither left nor right. We don't discourage political discussion but it simply has to be kept civil.

Which is basically what Vile has faced...
08-23-2017 06:35 PM
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Similar stance to Vile ,but they already made their point and yes I know this isn't all of them as much as I hate this group in particular even if I know them or not, blood was spilled ,but so far is seems to me ever since we got that orange carrot in office people like this have been resurfacing and coming almost out of the wood work and I know they were there before ,but they are becoming a lot more bold because that orange carrot practically advocates this kind of behavior and he hasn't been our president for even a year.

I will not consider you sympathizers because I know better than that ,but to every common person out there they do not and even if you educate them to what your stance on the matter is they will not give a damn be it rightfully so or not. That is something you are gonna have to deal with and I understand as I am also that guy who decides normally to be either neutral or tries to keep it in middle ground as best as possible ,but for me this subject is hard to stay neutral on considering what had happened to spark these problems now.

I bet you had that not happened it would be another normal media day of protesters marching and this would have all blown over like it was here for the moment and then gone in a second. That's how it was for Black Lives Matter protest even though implications for that were the result of something a lot more damning truthfully, but because of what this had resulted in. It became even more infamous and shows how far beyond being civil we as a people are and though America is no different to the violence it can have like any other nation out there and though our history is quite short most of the time this country has spent its life in war while the other portion has been decades of constant protest and bigotry that can last many lifetimes over at this rate and that's saying it mildly from an observational point because it goes even deeper and even before its founding.

To be fair I do not like talking about politics because its really can bring out the worst in people especially those who actively follow that subject like its merely something to do and to talk about because hey its like adding fuel to the fire for others. I mean yes its something we could talk about and needs to be discussed ,but at times its knowing when you choose to talk about it and to whom. In fact even better why talk about it if you yourself can't handle it and I'll admit at times I don't think I can handle it and I too can get way too passionate for my own reasons as do all of you from time to time. And that is lesson I think most people need to learn.

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